Monday, January 10, 2011

Mahler 5 Horenstein 1961 Berliner Phil, repaired/completed version

Gustav Mahler
Symphony No. 5

Edinburgh Festival
August 31, 1961

Berlin Philharmonic
Jascha Horenstein, conductor

I'm a Furtwängler fan, and so I think I hear something of his approach in Horenstein performances, by dint of Jascha Horenstein having been the older conductor's assistant. Something ineffable, the organic feel in the musicmaking makes me imagine that a Furtwangler Mahler 5th joint would be something like what we hear here. I mean no disrespect to Jascha Horenstein by this. Horenstein is another of the sound shapers who consistently make deeply satisfying performances appear out of nowhere! Without much more epicycling, I say this is a very engrossing recording. It just sounded several kinds of terrible from having been poorly sourced.

Now, this is the same recording but with work done to remedy some of that. This Mahler 5th was offered by "a collector who first posted the original, unrestored files on his blog...", MetroGnome Music , which then were taken by GP 49, who worked to improve their problematic sonic profile.

That MetroGnome blog is a treasure trove, and has since posted another expert transfer of this recording: MAHLER: Symphony No. 5Jascha Horenstein and the Berlin Philharmonic

I can't resist pointing you to a 3rd by Horenstein, which lives in that blog as well:

For this version of the 5th, GP49 describes the process of making the recording sound better:
There were several items which needed to be addressed:
Several bars were missing from the end of the Finale. [the uploader] had already done a repair to missing bars in the Scherzo,
but he had material to work with within the existing file; in the
finale, there wasn't anything that could be used. Fortunately, for
many years now, I have had a cassette with the only last ten minutes
of the same performance; it sounded just as bad but it had the missing
A patch job could be done!
The entry of the Scherzo was noisy and abrupt, distorted and
truncated. Some careful and exacting digital editing was needed to
extract enough clean signal to reconstruct just that one first note.
Generally, noise and hum was reduced though not eliminated.
Transitions from silence to movement entries were refined.
There were some loud, bass-heavy THUMPS which sounded like somebody
bumped the microphone during the recording, which Jascha Horenstein's
cousin alleges was made using a microphone in front of a radio
loudspeaker. These THUMPS couldn't be made inaudible; all that could
be done was to filter out the heavy bass.
Gross digital clipping in the loudest segments of all movements had
to be addressed. The overall level was dropped to provide some
headroom, and software was applied to attempt a restoration of the
clipped portions. The results of this procedure are seldom 100%
effective, but they are audible here. Unfortunately some of the
distortion from the digital clipping remains; and there was nothing
that could be done for distortion from analog tape overload, without
severely filtering the treble unacceptably.
If one carefully listens to the original, it sounds like Horenstein
played the fourth movement and the Finale without a pause. But I
couldn't tell if this was a poor edit, long ago, on a previous
generation of the tape. I know someone who was there in Edinburgh at
the concert and he says that there was a definite pause, but a short
one. However, Jascha Horenstein's cousin says that his notes from
other Horenstein performances of Mahler 5 say that the conductor
played through the IV-V transition without a pause. I've retained
the split of the two movements onto separate tracks but have put a
minimal amount of silence after the hall echo at the end of IV, and a
minimal amount before the entry of V. If played consecutively, this
makes the pause very short. For those who prefer a longer silence
between the movements, there is always the PAUSE control.
When played, the original was pitched quite too high: a semitone.
That error is a lot, even for a cheap cassette deck; but I have seen
some that had that degree of speed error. Under the assumption that
the pitch error occurred in the analog domain, this means that the
original also was playing too fast! The semitone down-transposition
and accompanying 5.6% slowdown altered the portrayal of the entire
symphony; compared to known, good-sounding Horenstein performances of
the Mahler Sixth Symphony, this Fifth originally sounded too
After the pitch/speed correction, the gentleman who actually heard
the concert in Edinburgh said, "it does darken the performance and is
much closer to what I remember at the Usher Hall in Edinburgh."
The result is not perfect; it's no silk purse but it is no longer a
sow's ear, either. Some distorted patches remain, and there are
pitch bobbles that sound like irregularity in reel-to-reel tape feed.
I still hope a better copy turns up that will allow this performance
to shine for all it's worth. Jascha Horenstein's cousin is still
trying to search one out, and we should all hope that he is
successful; but for now, this is what we have.
The downloadable files include an excerpt from the introductory
comments on the 1961 broadcast. The audience's applause with
broadcast exit comments follow the Finale, as in the original

This is a mono recording of an important historic performance.




Guillermo said...

Six FLACs:

OR Six MP3s (60.26 MB)



Original, unretouched files were from

Discobole said...

Glad to see you back, and with such a feat!
And between you and me, I find Horenstein much more interesting than Furtwangler... mais cela n'engage que moi!

tahra said...

Rare rec. Very Thanks.

tahra said...

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ipromesisposi said...

Please, can you reupload this treasure?
Thanks in advance.

Guillermo said...

I just checked both lossless and lossy links and they work for me. Please advise if the problem continues...

аффтор said...

Alas! Links not working!
Maybe another mirror would be helpful?

аффтор said...

Sorry for the wrong info. JDownloader usually managing such upload sets doesn't work with these FLAC files. Don't allow the JDownloader activation but pass to the mediafire download page and manage the download by your own hands, file-by-file. It's not so convenient, as it could be, but it does work.
MP3 files are downloaded by JDownloader with ease.

Hope, tis adice would be helpful.

Seymour said...

Thank you very much for the hard work and the upload, much appreciated. Just a note: Mahler does not really want a pause between IV & V in this symphony, we should hear a pianissimo remnant of the Adagietto after the first note of the finale, just before the finale begins. Anyway, thanks again for this rare Horenstein!

ipromesisposi said...

Waiting the artwork... Thank you very much indeed.

Stefan Tasche said...

Fantastic performance - never heard Mahler`s Fifth in this intensity and deeply-felt greatness. Outshines all other performances I knew (Horenstein was really one of the greatest recreators of music) Stefan from Freiburg (Black Forrest)

Anonymous said...

Thanks so very much for filling an important gap in the Horenstein canon. In searching for this performance, I ran across a link with the headline, "Is the Horenstein Cult Dead." More wishful thinking from that jackass David Hurwitz (Mr. 10/10). The interest in this performance shows just how wrong Hurwitz is.

David McKee

oboeguy53 said...


I must agree with you. I read the article and I cannot believe anybody with a set of ears - and a soul - could trash Horenstein (and those who admire him) with such total ignorance. I admit that some Horenstein performances do not "find me" as much as others. His later 9th (with the French orchestra) is not impressive and I am not terribly fond of the 7th.

However, his VSO 9th and 1st, LSO 3rd and 8th, and 4th are wonderfully insightful. In fact, I am listening to the 5th mentioned in this post and I must admit that, it being the first Mahler symphony that I owned (done by Bernstein and NYP which, until today, was my all out favorite), and owning over ten - many very good - other performances of the work, this performance goes to the top of the list. In many ways it's like I had never heard the piece until this afternoon. It has been that way with virtually all Horenstein performances that I have encountered.

It just goes to show you that a lot of mediocre critics think, that by tearing down something that large numbers of people admire, that that makes them erudite. No, it just makes them look stupid. Or, to paraphrase something I once heard, Hurwitz jumped into an ocean of Horenstein's Mahler and came out bone dry!